Big week on LOST (spoilers)

There's always lots of debate and discussion on LOST in the Facebook world. And people seem to like the speculating. So, in the interest of cross pollination, I'm going to copy and paste some of the discussions I've been involved with there since last night's episode wrapped up.

Thread one
RLM status: Freaking Lost!!! WTF??!!

Noternie: :-(

RL: I was absolutely appalled that Jin wouldnt leave Sun to go and be with his child so she wouldnt be parentless. Horrible. I imagine the leaving her there would be awful but there was no hope! he died for nothing! ugh. and Sayid....poor, poor Sayid. :o(

noternie: Sayid needed to do that for redemption. Remember, he's been a pretty bad guy recently. They (the writers) really never knew what to do with him, other than use him as a tool to do bad things. Can't soil the morality of potential successors to Jacob. They have him doing all of this for Nadia, but he was all about moving on from her when Shannon was good to go. Remember his mourning over her?

As for Jin: He didn't die for nothing. He died for love. Plus, he's way f-ed up from being on that island for so long in weird situations. Three years with Sun gone and then he gets her back and only knows he has a daughter for a matter of days? That kid was never real to him. Plus he's Korean. They can rely on some cultural differences to explain his behavior. That's why he switched to speaking Korean at the key moment.

RLM: I agree about Sayid but not Jin. Sun should have made him leave. I hated it...and listening to my podcast is appears i am not alone...

I wonder where this is all going.... Des is alive in the well but what role will he play? and what about the flash sideways? They definitely are realizing that something is up but where will this lead? and what is Widmore all about? And the big question for me is where the heck is Richard, Ben and Miles??

MLK: Ok, get it...noternie all your points well taken, but 3 candidates (and Lapidis) in one shot....and my Sayid, ...booohooo.. I still blame Sawyer, he acted irrationally and just pulled it, him, Jack and Sayid should have tried to come to some consensus! we aren't getting any answers, i give up!

noternie: Richard, Ben and Miles aren't doing anything. Just hanging out in the woods. If there's anything we've learned about LOST, it's that characters NEVER take advantage of idle time to accomplish or learn anything. In 3 years living with Dharma, what did they learn? Sawyer, head of security and essentially married to a woman who had been on the inside for years. We gained no knowledge from that.

Desmond is going to set things up in the sideways flash for another time change to bring the candidates to the island. Jack will fix Locke's legs and Rose's cancer will get cured and then 815 will crash on the island. Other things will be lined up, as well. The show will end how it began, with Jack opening his eye in the woods.

It only ends once. Everything else is just progress. This show will not reach "the end" in the final episode. It will only show and celebrate the progress these people have made.

noternie: MLK, I get that you're shocked and bummed. I am, too. There were some major developments last night.

You could see Sayid was going, but hook or by crook. He was just too damaged. And Lapidis was always just kind of a hanger-on. The show only kept him around to keep alive the possibility that they'd get off the island on the plane. Killing the two of them at once was bold, but not shocking.

Killing off Sun and Jin together and with the other two was what made last night so huge. They appeared to have finally overcome the obstacles that kept them apart on all those different occasions. And it was over for them so quickly. It seems they were a little clumsy handling the "Jin just orphaned his baby" issue, but I wonder if that won't get handled before the end of the show.

As for Sawyer, they are showing you why he hasn't come far enough to be the chosen one. He disqualified himself last night when he pulled those pins. Two things to consider: motivation for making decisions and process for making decisions. Jack has always been selfless in his motivation for decisions, Sawyer was not, but he is now. BUT where they were both selfish in the process of decision-making, Jack has changed. He steps back, considers others' thoughts and shows some faith. Sawyer still trusts nobody to make a decision other than himself. He has faith in nobody other than himself.

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On another...
KM status: Geez LOST, I feel like I've been kicked in the stomach for the last hour. So traumatic!

noternie: They switch over to that slow piano, you know it's tearjerk time.

MRV: The sub scene was reminiscent of Titanic!

SAG: No spoilers!

RLM: yeah...totally Titanic. and I posted how disturbed I was by Jin's sacrifice. There is a kid involved! wtf.

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More new thoughts by me:
Isn't Hurley still a candidate? If so, doesn't the current pattern mean he's gonna go down? They've got no qualms about killing off popular characters like Jin/Sun, Charlie, etc. And truth be told, I really like and respect that. Keeps it unpredictable, realistic.

I'm looking forward to next week's episode. Looks like we'll get more of the man in black and Jacob. Good for two reasons. One: we'll get more about the nature of the island and the goings on from the only two that seem to have the complete story. Two: I think the actors that play them do a great job, particularly the man in black. Sad to see that his role was essentially taken over by Terry O'Quinn. O'Quinn is great, but he had his character. If the writers didn't' want to loose O'Quinn, they shouldn't have killed Locke.